
Morrissey interviewed by Katherine Dieckmann
Musician,
June, 1991


The hipster line on
Morrissey, one of the most reviled and adored figures in the history of
pop, is that he's become something like a character out of one of his more
doleful songs - like "Little Man, What Now?" - the one about the erstwhile
child star who turns into a walking anachronism. But if some of the
singer/songwriter's acolytes have jumped ship with his latest record
Kill Uncle, citing a diminishment of their idol's creative
powers, Morrissey also seems to be on the brink of snagging a new American
audience. Laudatory reviews have appeared in unlikely places
(Entertainment Weekly), profiles have been popping up in major
U.S. magazines and Morrissey's been invited to make several TV
appearances, including "The Tonight Show". He's even planning to perform
in the States this summer, something he hasn't done since 1987, when his
last tour with his seminal post-punk Brit band the Smiths crashed and
burned, with the group parting ways soon after.
Never quite forgiven by devout followers for that bitter breakup,
Morrissey has plunged onward to forge a solo career that tests the
genre-bending possibilities in the swooning vocal, acerbic turn of phrase
and camp synthesizer solo. First came 1988's stunning Viva Hate,
a collaboration with Smiths engineer Stephen Street that both recalled the
impassioned Smiths guitar sound of Johnny Marr and pumped up the quirky
orchestration and strings that have become the hallmark of Morrissey's
solo work. Last year's Bona Drag, a fitfully brilliant singles
collection, was widely received by detractors as a stalling measure until
Morrissey could gather up enough material for a new release - a perception
that overlooked that record's numerous strengths, including the bold
"November Spawned a Monster," which set an unsentimental vision of a
wheelchair-bound child to a spunkily irresistible beat.
Morrissey split with Street and hooked up with Mark Nevin (formerly of
Fairground Attraction) and Madness producers Clive Langer and Alan
Winstanely to make Kill Uncle, a record far breezier than the
first two. The lyrics reveal little of Morrissey's usual penchant for
thick puns and adverbs - though there is, of course, the occasional killer
couplet ("your frankly vulgar/red pullover"). Instead, the songs offer a
more direct route to their subjects, which, despite the lighter sound,
prove quintessentially Morrissey: a racially motivated beating, the
bullying of a female crime witness, the (perhaps thankful) state of life
outside coupledom, and the singer's blunt unwillingness to procreate.
Steven Patrick Morrissey ascended to cult status as a mordantly witty,
inextricably English, depressive genius. But now, on the verge of turning
32 and seeming more serious about the state of his career than ever, that
joke, to borrow a Smiths title, isn't funny anymore. The rock press
always tends to reduce its key players to monodimensional types, and
Morrissey's been pegged a dreary whiner. While he's hopeful that there
might be a wider audience waiting for him in the States - as hopeful as a
confirmed pessimist can be - he's still faced with the overwhelming
negativity surrounding his image.
But Morrissey remains our greatest self-cancelling pop riddle, at once
pompous and humble, famous and failed, ironic and utterly sincere, sensual
and repressed, allegedly celibate and yet a brazen purveyor of playful
homoeroticism (with special attention to the nude male torso). In his
slightly clumsy and usually hilarious music videos, he's both mocked and
indulged the mythos of his celebrity in a manner befitting a former nerd
who probably still can't quite believe his late-blooming popularity.
Spied across a hotel lobby in downtown Manchester, Morrissey sits, legs
crossed, recessed in a blue leather chair shaped like hair drier. From
this distance he's all jutting angles - the sharp features, heavy brows,
geometrically shaved sideburns and minor-league pompadour. Close up, he
is softer, and his manner is soft, too. Even his trademark biting quips
tumble off his tongue more gently than they read in print.
Yet there is something about Morrissey that is, inexorably, pure icon. So
when he strides down a quiet Mancunian street on this drizzly Sunday
afternoon, it seems completely natural that a pubescent boy should
materialize seemingly out of nowhere and approached him, a cassette of
Kill Uncle shakily outstretched for an autograph. It is
delivered with extreme solicitude.
"I've done so many interviews here over the years, and once you've run the
gauntlet, or whatever the expression is - no, it's not gauntlet, it's..."
Gamut. "Right. Where do you go?" Morrissey lifts a hot chocolate to his
lips from a table designed for people 5'2" and under, which forces anyone
over that height (and Morrissey is quite tall) to slump. He is explaining
why he decided, midway through 1989, to stop speaking to the British
press, who have breathlessly recorded his every utterance since the Smiths
first emerged late in 1982. "But of course they got very angry, because
they feel they giveth and they taketh away, and to say no is a snub they
find very hard not to take personally. And revenge shortly ensues."
But if Morrissey has clamped down on one outlet, he's opened up to
another, giving a number of interviews to the American press despite the
fact that he's clearly a little exhausted by all this public
self-examination. "I think most of us have only one view on most
subjects," Morrissey offers. "And if you're repeatedly asked the same
questions, which I am, it becomes very dull. But one is not allowed to
suggest even slight boredom with what one does, because it destroys
everything. Especially, I believe, for the person who listens to your
records."
At this juncture, George Michael's voice swells on the piped-in sound
system. There's really no point in asking Morrissey his opinion on George
Michael, however, because he's already delivered it in a recent interview,
"If George Michael had to live my life for five minutes he'd strangle
himself with the nearest piece of cord."
Certain leading questions practically beg a classically snide Morrissey
retort, which at this pint he actually seems a little reluctant to
deliver. He seems well aware that verbal whippings take their toll, both
on himself and others. He frets about having recently been approached by
a sweet, overeager lad who identified himself as "a Happy Monday," a band
Morrissey had slammed in print. As one might expect, Morrissey has no
threshold for the Manchester scene, blaming London journalists "who look
upon Manchester like some strange psychiatric unit" for creating a false
hype, then abandoning it, a situation he finds "basically witless and
therefore unforgivable".
As bands like Inspiral Carpets and Charlatans U.K. rule the alternative
charts, however, many people have charged that Morrissey's sound has
become, um, monotonous.
"Well, that's a very kind way of using the word 'monotonous'," Morrissey
chuckles, not at all miffed. "Believe me, people have always said that,
people have always accused me of it, even with the Smiths. Yes! The
Smiths were not, as is considered now, years past their, er, death, ever
truly the darlings of the press as is commonly thought. There was a great
deal of hate, there were accusations, and one was that the Smiths were
always much weaker musically than they were lyrically. There's always
somebody somewhere pointing the finger and saying, 'Yes, but--'"
Another frequent complaint is that Morrissey's vocal range is limited -
but a careful listen reveals he's become quite an accomplished crooner,
caressing the most biting remarks, clipping his syllables dramatically and
luxuriating over a vowel only to turn it into a curdle of contempt.
"I agree that my voice has improved," Morrissey says, not immodestly. "It
was true, initially, with the Smiths that I was very limited. But I think
it's just improved and improved and improved. I don't know whether it's
just healthier living." You mean your habits are cleaner? Morrissey
looks horrified. "What a terrible expression!" Why? "It just implies
that 10 years ago I was tramping the streets in an old overcoat covered
with phlegm."
One aspect of Morrissey's songwriting that seems to get subsumed by his
quippier-than-thou skills is his ability to telescope acute pain without a
smirk - like on Kill Uncle's lush dirge "Asian Rut".
"Sometimes I do have a great physical need to be reasonably blunt, which
most people find quite taxing," Morrissey replies without a trace of
sarcasm. "That's the side of me which is unmarketable, totally
unpromotable, the thing that makes people see me as a reasonably exclusive
commodity and not for the vast adult world, which simply isn't true.
Nonetheless, for most people it's hard to digest, and I recognize
that.
"But I've become very dissatisfied with my own spluttered descriptions of
the songs in an interview situation. Because I can never quite describe
them, or the reason for their being, in an interesting way. It's
something I can scarcely understand, personally." He pauses, then
continues, "But the songs, and the album title, and the sleeve, and
whatever else you might wish to investigate, are simply..." (a pregnant
pause) "me."
Suddenly the strumming guitar chords of yet another George Michael song
fill the room. "As if on cue," Morrissey laughs. "But it is simply what
you see before you. I don't sit down and deliberate and say, 'Now it's
time to write. Now it's time to shape an album, and tomorrow maybe I'll
go skydiving.' I mean, if I said to you, 'How do you explain yourself?
How do you explain your reason for living? How do you explain your
character?' you might presumably find it very hard. Because you're
presumably a multidimensional person." Morrissey smiles. "I'm being very
kind."
Yes, but then there's the matter of the Morrissey image that is put before
the world. Take the home video collection Hulmerist, which
stitches together Morrissey's videos - directed by Tim Broad, with whom
the singer is about to embark on a feature film depicting his life, "God
forbid that anybody should be subjected to it" - with footage of Morrissey
clones in Smiths T-shirts bellowing for their idol. Or the fact that
Morrissey's taken to being photographed, epic-style, from below.
"I think the question is, 'Below what?'" Morrissey laughs, then adds,
"Within England at least, I have curiously and accidentally become a type,
and whether it is a question of a string of photographs where I'm reaching
skywards, or whatever, I will unavoidably be referred to, attractively or
unattractively, as a specific type."
But isn't it more a question of having invented a persona that's been
imitated? "Well, I didn't crawl into the broom cupboard and find a bit of
string and a bit of glue and a bit of paper and create this image," he
says with slight irritation. "I find that most personalities within pop
music are in actuality so shallow, or not really worth investigating, that
if you have even a vague angle about what you do, it instantly seems that
you have an, inverted commas, 'image.' You've labored harder than the
rest to attract people's attention. Which in my case is absolutely not
true."
Except that you seem well aware that you've established an image that's
all about being adored. "Yes, but what is very close to that blind
adoration is a creeping jealousy, a creeping envy," Morrissey replies.
"And the slightest miscalculation on the part of the adored is the basis
for a dreadful punishment from the one who adores, shall we say. But
people who are famous, or who have minor fame, still live very basic
lives, really. They may have larger bank accounts than the rest of the
world, but they still fray at the edges. And it gets increasingly
difficult when your audience is somewhat large and so many sectors of your
audience expect different things from you. Some of them expect you to be
funny, others expect you to be political. And other expect you to be
neither one. Therefore it's very difficult when you meet people fact to
face to understand why it is exactly that they are attracted to you."
Do you think your songwriting is political?
"I think it's all political, I think my very being is political in some
untapped way," Morrissey replies. "Certainly in England my name is
synonymous with danger." So you feel like you still have the power to
startle people? "Yes, yes, I do. They lead me to believe I do, at any
rate. I don't do it with a very crafty, cunning... eh... I don't plot
nastiness. Quite the reverse. I find that, not at all by design, I am
considered subversive. I always was considered such. It has always been
considered slightly anarchic to have any vague interest in vegetarianism,
for instance. And to sing about it is considered pure insanity. So I
rest my case. I suppose I feel, for better or wise, reasonably unique,"
he adds, suppressing a smile. "And I know I'm making your stomach churn
as I say those words, but I do feel like a one-off. You can hate the
sight of me, or you can cherish every word I've uttered. But I do feel
reasonably unique, I do." Then he says, semi-convincingly, "It's a
terrible, terrible curse. I wish I could just blend in."
The likelihood of that, however, is next to nil. For one thing, Morrissey
is, just as one might suspect, extremely hermetic and given to spending
hours on end alone, indoors, listening to music and reading. (Abiding
passions include Nancy Friday books and biographies.) He says
occasionally he'd like "the opportunity to go out and just talk to someone
alone about drivel and get drunk and throw up," but that public
appearances tend to provoke scrutiny, and that he's never been even
remotely prone to excessive behavior anyway.
At least not certain kinds of excessive behavior. When he moved back to
his native Manchester in 1989 after nearly four years spent living in
London, Morrissey bought an old Victorian house outside of won, "which
meant that I could finally play music at the most unbearable human volume.
When I was young, we lived in such a tiny house that whatever record I
played would be heard by the entire family and I would always - I mean,
the chorus of my youth was 'Turn it down!' I woke up this morning and put
the music system on just painfully loud and I felt the thrill of a
13-year-old. That still happens to me. I'm still making the biggest
mistake of believing that music and records and so forth is life."
Oh, it might not be such a big mistake. "It is, really," Morrissey
insists. "It's fine if you can dip into music and then have a social
life, and then you have another portion of your life, perhaps a place of
work or college or et cetera. But for me it was never that way. I was
always absolutely embroiled and totally, inescapably, 24-hours-a-day, I
would have to have music. Which is like skidding on very, very thin ice
because sooner or later you're going to have to meet the rest of the
world."
Is it strange to be in your 30's and still feel like a teenager? "Yes,
because I always had a high expectation that I would go through magical
transformations into adulthood and on to less trivial things, shall we
say. But unfortunately, that hasn't happened. I think your seventeenth
year stays with you for the rest of your life, for better or worse, and
you just learn how to cope with that. We all of us carry an image inside
ourselves of how we'd like to be. But sadly, that image is always
unreachable, totally unreachable."
One might say that Morrissey's own image, willfully developed or not,
stems from his happy enslavement to popular music: He rehearsed for
stardom by studying it thoroughly. His knowledge is dauntingly
encyclopedic, and his otherwise becalmed demeanor disappears when he
speaks of favorite records and books, reciting titles with the uncontrived
fervor of the truly obsessed. He bought his first British single when he
was six (Marianne Faithfull's "Come Stay With Me"), and became caught up
in American pop music in the early 1970's when he was still a preteen -
including collecting the most treacly 45's.
"I remember buying the Starland Vocal Band single 'Afternoon Delight' and
absolutely loving it despite myself," he recalls, "but realizing that was
kind of the first germ within my body, and I was slowly being infiltrated
by something terribly devious. In general, though, I always liked the
American artists that weren't all that popular in America, like the New
York Dolls, Patti Smith, the Ramones. And I would collect music magazines
from America, such as Hit Parader and papers covering the New
York scene, like Wayne County. And I would become very excited by people
like Wayne County when he had the Dave Clark 5 in his hair."
Excuse me? Morrissey looks surprised. "You don't know Wayne County? He
was an extraordinary figure in the early '70's - well, he still exists,
only he's altered his gender and now his name is Jane County. But he made
records like 'I Am Man Enough to Be a Woman,' and 'It Takes a Man Like Me
to Know a Woman Like Me,' and 'Are You a Boy or Are You a Girl?'." He
laughs. "And he'd put the words Dave-Clark-Five" - Morrissey gestures it
out in his own not-unformidable coif - "in his bouffant in rhinestones.
And, you know, compared to what was happening in England at the time, this
was really... personality! But the center of it all, of course, were the
New York Dolls, who completely destroyed and changed my life."
Why destroyed? "Because, naturally, if you liked the New York Dolls in
England in 1973, and you were 13 pushing 14, you were bound to be faced
with national unpopularity. England absolutely hated the New York Dolls,
they though they were the most absurd rock creation ever. They considered
them to be clamorous transsexuals, which of course was not acceptable, and
which of course they weren't, anyway. But English music, apart from David
Bowie and Marc Bolan of T. Rex, was so unchangeably staid and
impenetrable. Bowie at that time was despised, which made him absolutely
lovable to me. I first saw him in '72, and it was an amazing vision, but
it was not popular by any means. In retrospect, people consider such
artists as Bowie and the early Roxy Music to be much more popular than
they actually were at the time."
So when did that attitude change? "It simply changed when Bowie began to
wear suits and Mott the Hoople broke up and Bryan Ferry went to Hollywood
and the New York Dolls were history. And then, you know, it's quite safe
to be affectionate about something that isn't really there anymore.
That's the absolutely classic case in British pop, that we must mourn what
we didn't comment upon at the time of its existence. We must mourn what
we made no effort to save when it was dying."
There seems to be an inevitable leap here, and sure enough, it comes. "I
mean," Morrissey says, "if I were knocked down tomorrow by a passing
train, I would be considered the most important artist ever in the history
of English pop music, which today I am not considered to be."
He chuckles dryly, but not bitterly. "That's just a rough guess."
The above interview was originally published in the June, 1991 issue of Musician and is reprinted without permission for non-profit use only.