
Morrissey interviewed by Gary Crossing
The
Big Issue, July, 1997

"At 22 I felt like something that had died seven
years previous, so the prospect of being 40 is a doddle." Gary Crossing
meets a mellower Morrissey.

Los Angeles isn't the sort of place you'd expect to
find Morrissey. A superficial, wilfully kitsch city of bronzed,
rock-hard torsos, swimming pools, big cars, Hollywood stars and
gangsta rappers, it hardly seems suited to the needs of a bashful,
bookish, rapier-witted and quintessentially English artiste.
Yet, the elusive, rarely-interviewed pop star is here at West
Hollywood's Sunset Marquis Hotel; a plam-tree shadow away from Sunset
Boulevard, a brisk Harley ride from Beverly Hills. U2 and Courtney
Love sometimes room here, Depeche Mode's Dave Gahan overdosed here.
A Sunset regular himself, Morrissey has been to LA six times this year
already. "I'm extremely familiar with Loose Angela," he chuckles.
Yes, there's a huge contrast between LA's lavishly-oiled hedonism and
drizzly Manchester, the inspiration for Morrissey's angst-ridden and
witty songs, both solo and with cult Eighties indie outfit The Smiths.
But the Oscar Wilde of rock has made the move from bedsit kitchen sink
to the land of the drive-in and the drive-by with elegant ease.
Very much the Englishman abroad, he is untouched by LA life. A
handsome devil, he looks the picture of health. Charming, polite,
eloquent and funny, with no trace of a Californian twang, he speaks in
lyrical Northern whispers.
"If you can stay here comfortably, it's remarkably glamorous," he
says. "The blind consumerism is extremely enjoyable if you can afford
to ride its coat tails, although I'm aware that millions can't and that
LA can be a frightening quagmire of filth. Initially I had a naive
view of America. I hated the fact it seemed to have so much while I
had nothing. I feel differently now. Guess why?" he laughs.
One of the main reasons Morrissey spends a lot of time here is a desire
to be where he is liked. And he's very popular across the pond. The
singer's last US tour in 1992 ended with two sell-out shows. Record
sales are ever on the up Stateside, yet his last few singles barely
pierced the British Top 30. So, while an ungrateful UK gives him the
cold shoulder, America runs to him with open arms. When he parted
company with RCA, no other British label wanted to know until Mercury
US signed him.
Last year Morrissey even tried to move to LA. He lasted two weeks.
"The fact that I had left England completely shocked me," he says.
"Yes, England drives me insane, but I can't ever imagine leaving it."
At the moment he is between homes. He has sold his north-London
dwelling and, although he owns a house in Dublin, says he has never
lived there. His heart remains in London. "Even when I hate London I
love it," he says. "I love the good and the bad, the barren and the
plush."
The late-Nineties Morrissey is in limbo between two cultures. His
days have no shape either. "It's fascinating to wake up and have no
idea what's about to happen," he says. "I can't imagine standing at a
bus stop at 10 to eight every morning. Tea, books, a sofa... that's a
great way to live."
Despite devout British fans filling venues and giving his albums
respectable chart positions ('95's Southpaw Grammar made No.
4), Morrissey is under no illusions about his current status. "I'm in
exile. I'm box-office poison as far as I can gather," he says. "I'm
simply a roadside curiosity. I don't know whether a hit single would
change things."
Sparkling new single Alma Matters, and forthcoming album,
Maladjusted, are easily the strongest, most confident
Morrissey material since his 1988 solo debut Viva Hate. But
he doesn't hold out much hope for them on home shores. "Once the tide
turns it turns," he says. "And unless you have the wind in your sails
there's very little you can do."
Bad British feeling towards Stephen [sic] Patrick Morrissey came to a
head last year. Former Smiths drummer Mike Joyce took him and
ex-sidekick Johnny Marr to court to claim 25 percent of the millions made
by The Smiths through hit albums like The Queen Is Dead.
Morrissey and Marr, who penned the bulk of the songs, had awarded
themselves 40 percent each of the royalties, while Joyce and guitarist
[sic] Andy Rourke - who settled out of court - each had 10 percent.
[Note: This statement is misleading. Joyce sued for performance
royalties only, not songwriting royalties.] A High Court Judge found in
favour of Joyce and singled out Morrissey as "devious, truculent and
unreliable". The tabloids thought it was Christmas.
"I've never spoken to anybody about the case," says Morrissey.
"Anything that has been written has been other people's views, so
obviously I haven't come out of it well. It was presided over by a
judge who had no knowledge of the music industry. He had to have
Top Of The Pops explained to him. The whole point was get
Mozzer. Get him in the witness box and grill him. It was horrendous.
If I had any faith in the British judicial system before, I don't
now."
Morrissey is very bitter about the judge's summing up of the trial.
"His words could have ruined my life. But he wanted to do that
because he knew the press was writing about it, and all judges want to
be famous. It makes me feel that if you ever come up against a judge
or have to stand in a witness box, the best thing to do is lie. Don't
bother with the truth."
But Morrissey's love affair with England had begun to sour years
before this. In '92, at a Madness concert in Finsbury Park, he was
bottled off stage for performing a song draped in a Union Jack.
Racist allegations were firmly denied. "I can't imagine why anybody
would want to be racist," he says. "It's so beyond me I feel
unqualified to talk about it. So many people have used the Union Jack
since then, with the eruption of Britpop. Nobody else has been
pilloried for it."
Made during a "recurrent mood of, certainly despair, bordering on
elation", Maladjusted finds Morrissey once again in the role
of misfit. "The writer Michael Bracewell recently described me as the
outsider's outsider," he says. "That rang true. Whatever's in vogue
isn't me. That's not enforced rebellion, it's quite natural. I can't
think of any other pop artist for whom it seems to be natural."
It's out there hovering on the edge that Morrissey has always done his
best work. And those feelings of insecurity aren't fading with age.
Morrissey is 38, "two incredibly long and tedious years to go" till
he's 40. "There has been no significant change to my character. I'm
slightly more at ease. But the main shortcomings that we have stay
with us. We either learn to hide them or deal with them."
He's not worried about his age and can't think of anything worse than
being 22 again. "That's abhorrent to me. At 22 I felt like something
that had died seven years previous, so the prospect of being 40 is a
doddle really."
Neither is he bothered about maintaining his creative edge. "There's
an enormous gravity in my life, and I don't think that I write songs
in a superficial way," he says. "I haven't been swept away by a
massive wave of popularity. If I had it would be difficult to
maintain. I don't face the dangers of instant evaporation. I can
withstand the fact that I don't sell as well as I used to. The people
who buy my records do so for the right reasons. That's important
because it means you're not a fad."
Having just finished the video for Alma Matters, Morrissey
spends his time lounging poolside or driving around LA. It's hard to
imagine this gentle soul being aggressive enough to get behind the
wheel, but he finds "the demon car a complete necessity."
Morrissey is currently looking for a house in north London with a
garage.
The above interview was originally published in the July 14-20, 1997 issue of The Big Issue and is reprinted without permission for non-profit use only.